My Lord and My God – Jn.20:28
Jesus Christ and His Divinity: biblical Reference
Does your religion belongs to Christianity or The "Mob"? The "Mob" who falsely accused Christ of subverting the Roman Empire and testify wrongly that he opposed to pay taxes to Caesar [Lk 23:2]?. The "Mob" who cried saying "crucify him, crucify him" [Lk.23:21]
The "Mob" who were eager to condemn Christ to Death because of making himself equal with God.
"For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.” [John 5:18]
But Christ knew it from the beginning, so he declares "Father, Forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing" [Lk. 23:34]. Same like these cults, they all don't know what they are doing "Because knowledge of the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven has been granted..., but to them it has not been granted" [Mt. 13:10-11]
BIBLICAL REFERENCE
(in response to mizrach's post: "you are STUPID! Jesus
Christ IS NOT the one reffered to as "LORD"... IN Isaiah 44:24. It is
the Father...and Christ is not the Father") Yes. I agree, we Catholic Agree. The Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Father but both of them are ONE in NATURE: GOD.
Jesus Christ and His Divinity: biblical Reference
By.c.pio
Does your religion belongs to Christianity or The "Mob"? The "Mob" who falsely accused Christ of subverting the Roman Empire and testify wrongly that he opposed to pay taxes to Caesar [Lk 23:2]?. The "Mob" who cried saying "crucify him, crucify him" [Lk.23:21]
The "Mob" who were eager to condemn Christ to Death because of making himself equal with God.
"For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.” [John 5:18]
The "Mob" who
deny the divinity of Christ; like IglesiaNiManalo INCorporated, Jeboba's
Weaknesses and Ang Dating Eskinita ni Elisa of today express same question of the past said, “You aren’t even fifty years old.
How can you say you have seen Abraham” [Jn.8:57]
But Christ knew it from the beginning, so he declares "Father, Forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing" [Lk. 23:34]. Same like these cults, they all don't know what they are doing "Because knowledge of the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven has been granted..., but to them it has not been granted" [Mt. 13:10-11]
BIBLICAL REFERENCE
"I and my Father are ONE." [John 10:30]
"But unto the SON he saith, 'Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom'...And, 'Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.'" [Hebrews 1:8, 10]
"...CHRIST JESUS...being in the FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL WITH GOD: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." [Philippians 2:5-8]
"But unto the SON he saith, 'Thy throne, O GOD, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom'...And, 'Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.'" [Hebrews 1:8, 10]
"...CHRIST JESUS...being in the FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL WITH GOD: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." [Philippians 2:5-8]
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the FATHER, THE WORD, AND THE HOLY GHOST: and THESE THREE ARE ONE." [1 John 5:7]
"Hereby perceive we the love of GOD, because he LAID DOWN HIS LIFE for us...” [1 John 3:16]
"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and MY GOD." [John 20:28]
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US" [John 1:1-4]
"Hereby perceive we the love of GOD, because he LAID DOWN HIS LIFE for us...” [1 John 3:16]
"And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and MY GOD." [John 20:28]
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US" [John 1:1-4]
Only God is worshipped.
“then saith Jesus unto him... Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.” Matthew 4:10
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Jesus is worshipped.
“And again, when [God] bringeth in the firstbegotten [Jesus] into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.” Hebrews 1:6
"...Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star in the east and have come to worship him." Matthew 2:2
“Then the man said, Lord, I believe, and he worshiped him.” John 9:38
“Then those who were in the boat worshiped him, saying, Truly you are the Son of God.” Matthew 14:33
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Only God is glorified.
“I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another...” Isaiah 42:8
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God glorified Jesus.
“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” John 17:5
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God is 'I am'.
“And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of
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Jesus is 'I am'.
“Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” John 8:58
This is the most profound evidence where Jesus Christ declared that he is God. We can read in succeeding verse(59); the Jews wanted to stone him after declaring that he is I AM they understand him clearly that he claim to be GOD (the name I AM is exclusively for GOD and no MAN can use this for himself but Christ used this name.) |
God is the first and the last.
“I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.” Isaiah 41:4 |
Jesus is the first and the last.
“Jesus said, "Fear not; I am the first and the last:" Revelation 1:17
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God is Messiah.
“...unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder...and his name shall be called... The mighty God, The everlasting Father...” Isaiah 9:6
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Jesus is Messiah.
“The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things. Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.” John 4:25-26
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God created the universe and earth by Himself.
“I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself.” Isaiah 44:24
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Jesus Christ created the universe and the earth.
“[U]nto the Son he saith...Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.” Hebrews 1:10
“[B]y him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth...all things were created by him, and for him.” Colossians 1:16
“All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.” John 1:3
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God is the only Saviour.
"I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour." Isaiah 43:11
"...And there is no God apart from me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none but me." Isaiah 45:21
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Jesus is the only Saviour.
“..our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.” 2 Peter 3:18
“..the Christ, the Saviour of the world.” John 4:42
“...the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.” Titus 1:4
“a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.” Luke 2:11
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God is above all.
“For you, O Lord, art high above all the earth: thou art exalted far above all gods.” Psalm 97:9
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Jesus is above all.
“The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth.” John 3:31
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God loves He corrects.
“For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.” Proverb 97:9
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Jesus loves He corrects.
Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline.” Revelation 3:19
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God’s Judgment Seat.
"You, then, why do you judge your brother? Or why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before God's judgment seat." Roman 14:10
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Jesus’ Judgment Seat.
"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad." 2 Corinthian 5:10
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God is the Light of the World.
"The LORD is my light and my salvation -- whom shall I fear?" Psalm 27:1
"God is light; in him there is no darkness at all." 1 John 1:5
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Jesus is the Light of the World.
"When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, "I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.” John 8:12
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God is the Rock.
"He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he." Deuteronomy 32:4
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Jesus is the Rock.
"...for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ." 1Corinthian 10:4
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God is the Shepherd.
"The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not be in want." Psalm 23:1
"He tends his flock like a shepherd: He gathers the lambs in his arms and carries them close to his heart; he gently leads those that have young." Isaiah 40:11 |
Jesus is the Shepherd.
"I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep." John 10:11
"May the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep," Hebrew 13:20 |
SECTION B: JESUS
CHRIST DIVINITY
Philip
said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us." Jesus
answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you
such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say,
'Show us the Father'? [John14:8-9]
Once
again, we must distinguish first a CREATOR with his CREATION: GOD to MAN so we can
tell if Christ is only just a mere-man as claim by IglesiaNiManalo
INCorporated, Let see:
GOD [CREATOR]
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MAN [CREATURE]
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[Matt. 19:26]-All things possible with God
Jesus looked at
them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are
possible.”
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[Luke 12:26]–All
things not possible with man
Since you cannot
do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest?
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[Deut. 33:27]- God is Eternal
The eternal God
is your refuge, and underneath are the everlasting arms.
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[Isaiah 40:6]-
Man not eternal
All people are
like grass
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[ 1 Tim. 6:16]- God is immortal
Who alone is
immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can
see. To him be honor and might forever. Amen.
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[ Isaiah 51:12]-
Man is mortal
I, even I, am he
who comforts you. Who are you that you fear mere mortals, human beings
who are but grass,
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Prophet Isaiah
told us in [42:8] not to glorify man,
but God alone.
I am the LORD;
that is my name! I will not yield my glory to another
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Paul tells us in
Romans 1:25 of the error of worshiping
or serving any created thing and not the creator.
They exchanged
the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather
than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
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With
this in mind, let us see what the Scriptures teach about the nature and
character of Christ. [If He is a mere man, a created beings or CO-EQUAL &
CO-ETERNAL WITH THE FATHER]
In
[John 8:58], Jesus Christ takes this sacred name of God [ Ex. 3:14], and applies it to himself:
"Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM." Only God
may use this title of himself without blaspheming [Ex. 20:7, Deut. 5:11], and
the punishment for misusing his name is death by stoning [Lev. 24:16]. Thus
Jesus’ good Jewish audience immediately recognized the sacred name, and as a
result they picked up stones to kill him when he applied that name to himself [John
8:59]
GOD
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JESUS CHRIST
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GOD [ Psalm 90:2]-everlasting
Before the
mountains were born or you brought forth the whole world, from
everlasting to everlasting you are God.
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JESUS CHRIST-[Micah
5:2]-from eternity /ancient times
“But you,
Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans
of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over
Israel,
whose origins are from of old, from ancient times.” |
GOD [ Jer. 23:24]-Fills
all
Who can hide in
secret places so that I cannot see them?” declares the LORD. “Do not I fill
heaven and earth?” declares the LORD.
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JESUS CHRIST [Eph.
4:10]-Fills all things
He who descended
is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill
the whole universe.
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GOD[ Mal.3:6]-Unchanging
I the LORD do not change. |
JESUS CHRIST [Heb.
13:8]-Unchanging
Jesus Christ is
the same yesterday and today and forever.
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GOD [Ps 135:6]-Does whatever he pleases
The LORD does
whatever pleases him,
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JESUS CHRIST [Jn
5:19]- Does whatever the Father does.
Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does. |
GOD [Isaiah. 43:3]- The Holy
For I am the LORD
your God, the Holy One of Israel, your Savior;
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JESUS CHRIST [
Acts 3:14]-The Holy One
You disowned the
Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you.
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GOD [Deut. 32:4]-Sinless
He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he. |
JESUS CHRIST [
Heb. 4:15]-Sinless
For we do not
have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we
have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.
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GOD[ Neh. 9:6]-Sustainer
of All
You alone are the
LORD. You made the heavens, even the highest heavens, and all their starry
host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them. You
give life to everything, and the multitudes of heaven worship you.
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JESUS CHRIST [Col. 1:17]-Sustainer of All He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. |
GOD [Job 12:10]-The Life Giver
In his hand is the life of every creature and the breath of all mankind. |
JESUS CHRIST [John
14:6]; [10:28]-The Life and the Life Giver
Jesus answered,
“I am the way and the truth and the life.
I give them
eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my
hand.
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GOD [1 Tim. 6:15]-King of Kings
which God will
bring about in his own time—God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of
kings and Lord of lords,
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JESUS CHRIST [Rev.
19:16]-King of Kings
On his robe and on
his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
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GOD [Psalm 145:13]-Has an everlasting kingdom
Your kingdom is
an everlasting kingdom, and your dominion endures through all
generations.
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JESUS CHRIST[
Daniel 7:14]-one prophesy to Jesus Christ in the Old Testament
He was given
authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every
language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not
pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.
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GOD [1 Kings 8:39]-Knows
men’s heart
then hear from heaven, your dwelling place. Forgive and act; deal with everyone according to all they do, since you know their hearts (for you alone know every human heart) |
JESUS CHRIST[ Rev.
2:23]-Knows men’s heart
Then all the
churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will
repay each of you according to your deeds.
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GOD Ps.
103:19-Ruler & Lord of All
The LORD has
established his throne in heaven,
and his kingdom rules over all. |
JESUS CHRIST [Acts
10:36]-Lord of All
You know the
message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace
through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all.
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GOD [Zech. 14:9]-The
Only Lord
The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name. |
JESUS CHRIST [1
Cor. 8:6]-The One Lord
and there is but
one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we
live.
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NOW:
[Revelation
21:6-7]
He said to me: “It is done. I am the Alpha and
the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without
cost from the spring of the water of life. Those who are victorious will
inherit all this, and I will be their
God and they will be my children.
[Revelation
22:6, 13, 16]
"These
words are trustworthy and true. And the Lord, the God of the spirits of the
prophets, has sent his angel to show his servants what must soon take place . .
. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the
end . . . I Jesus have sent my angel to you with this testimony for the churches.
I am the root and the offspring of David, the bright morning star."
Clearly,
Scriptures testified that JESUS CHRIST IS GOD!
Non-believers of Christ as God makes Jesus Christ a crazy-out-of mind when it comes to these verses saying that Jesus is God. For example, Jesus said before Abraham He was, INCorporated 1914 members may ask how come? Abraham was too long before Jesus made into flesh.
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YOU R USING WRONG TRANSLATION AND INTERPRETATION
ReplyDeleteOF VERSES IN THE BIBLE.
Wrong interpretation? Or maybe it is hard for you to accept because these verses nullify your understanding about Jesus the one you called “a mere man”.
DeleteThe truth is, Christ was condemned to death because he equal himself with God: BLASPHEMOUS ACT TANTAMOUNT TO DEATH according to the Jewish Law,
"For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.” [John 5:18]
But Christ asked his to forgive them “for they don't know what they are doing" [Lk. 23:34]. Same like IglesiaNiManalo INCorporated cults, they all don't know what they are doing "Because knowledge of the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven has been granted..., but to them it has not been granted" [Mt. 13:10-11]
Non-believers or Anti-Christ cannot accept that Jesus was God, was in the beginning, made into flesh and lived with us and to continue his presence He made his body and blood as food for all mankind to remember Him and for the forgiveness of sins. We Catholics are blessed to have such wisdom and understanding and pity for those who cannot/refuse to understand/accept that very truth...
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(call me Felix the maniac angel)
These Catholic people are blind! They compared Jesus' characteristics with God's and because they have so many similarities, they concluded therefore that Jesus is God. What about the other comparisons? God is Spirit / Jesus is in flesh. God has no flesh and bones / Jesus has flesh and bones God has no beginning / Jesus was born God doesn't die / Jesus died God is the creator / Jesus is a creation God will never be a man / A man cannot be God Your Priests studied theology for so many years and yet, they couldn't explain that when Jesus prayed to God: "Now this is eternal life: that they know YOU, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent" (John 17:3) It is obvious that if Jesus and God are one true God, He should've said "WE". This is just one of proofs that Jesus is not God. And even a Grade 1 student will not agree when you say 1+1 = 1 Blind Catholics. About my profile picture, I just want to show how fragile your God is, your praising a picture, a sculptured god
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One die-hard fanatic member of IglesiaNiManalo INCorporated Cult visited this blog and left a piece of joke:
ReplyDeleteLINE1:(These Catholic people are blind! They compared Jesus' characteristics with God's and because they have so many similarities, they concluded therefore that Jesus is God.)
THE WORD “SIMILAR” AND “CO-EQUAL” ARE TWO DIFFERENT WORDS, SPELLING AND MEANING.
JESUS CHRIST SAID "I and my Father are ONE." [John 10:30]
READ MORE : http://catholicpoint.blogspot.com/2012/01/jesus-christ-and-his-divinity-biblical.html
LINE2: (What about the other comparisons? God is Spirit / Jesus is in flesh. God has no flesh and bones / Jesus has flesh and bones)
WE DON’T KNOW WHAT KIND OF BIBLE DID THE POSTER USED, IN WHICH THE FOLLOWING VERSES ARE NOT INCLUDED:
“THE WORD WAS GOD. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US” [ John 1:1-4]
...CHRIST JESUS...being in the FORM OF GOD, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL WITH GOD: But made himself of no reputation, AND TOOK UPON HIM THE FORM OF A SERVANT, AND WAS MADE IN THE LIKENESS OF MEN: AND BEING FOUND IN FASHION AS A MAN, [ Philippians 2:6-7]
".. made for a little while lower than the angels . ." [Heb. 2:9]
LINE3: (God has no beginning / Jesus was born.)
“Jesus said, "Fear not; I am the first and the last:" [Revelation 1:17] referring to JESUS CHRIST”
“I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.” [Isaiah 41:4] referring to the “FATHER”;
“Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.” [John 8:58]
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. [Exodus 3:14]
THIS CULT MEMBER ARE LIKE JEWS WHO FAILED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT JESUS MEANT: AND express same question of the past said, “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham” [Jn.8:57]
http://catholicpoint.blogspot.com/2012/01/my-catholic-point-mother-marys-titles.html READ MY EXCHANGE TO “MIZRACH” A HELPFUL DISCUSSION.
LINE4: (God doesn't die / Jesus died)
Jesus died because “FOR GOD SO LOVE THE WORLD HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON”; [John 3:16]
"He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." [2 Cor. 5:21]
He himself bore our sins in his body on the cross [1 Peter 2:24]
LINE5: (God is the creator / Jesus is a creation)
ReplyDelete“I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself.” Isaiah 44:24
JESUS CHRIST
“[U]nto the Son he saith...Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.” [Hebrews 1:10]
“[B]y him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth...all things were created by him, and for him.” [Colossians 1:16]
“All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.” [John 1:3]
LINE6: (God will never be a man / A man cannot be God)
Proclaim the power of God [Psalm 68:34]
BUT line6(a) is an INSULT TO GOD’S POWER by limiting Him(God) capacity. line6(b) Yes, MAN CANNOT BE GOD if it is a self-proclaimed and no proof to provide.
LINE7: (Your Priests studied theology for so many years and yet, they couldn't explain that when Jesus prayed to God: "Now this is eternal life: that they know YOU, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent" (John 17:3) ) It is obvious that if Jesus and God are one true God, He should've said "WE".)
“…that they know you the only true God,...” [Jn.17:3]
Christ said to his Father "that they know you the only true God." take a closer look at the word “ONLY”… the word “ONLY” modify the word “GOD” and not the word “FATHER”.
Elementary example:
One TV reporter states that “she is the only true human”.
Does it mean that the TV Reporter is not a HUMAN because he wrote that “she is the only true human”? Of course not, saying “ONLY” is NOT necessarily excluding other Persons of that “Being” from that description. SO, ALTHOUGH CHRIST SAYS THE WORD “ONLY” THIS DOES’NT MEAN THAT HE DECLARED THAT HE IS NOT GOD.
What about the word “TRUE”? because there are many false “gods” like you did to sinful Felix who treated him god. Once again, THERE IS ONE GOD: TRUE GOD THE FATHER WHO IS CO-EQUAL/CO-ETERNITY WITH ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST.[1Cor8:6]
Again http://catholicpoint.blogspot.com/2012/01/my-catholic-point-mother-marys-titles.html READ MY EXCHANGE TO “MIZRACH” A HELPFUL DISCUSSION THAT ADDRESS ALL DISTORTED VERSES USES BY THEM AS PROOF THAT JESUS IS NOT GOD.
LINE8: (This is just one of proofs that Jesus is not God. And even a Grade 1 student will not agree when you say 1+1 = 1 Blind Catholics.)
ReplyDeleteYes, Grade 1 student (Like all IglesiaNiManalo INCorporated) will not agree when you say 1+1=1 simply because they are “GRADE1” but not all people are “GRADE1”, we can encounter “HIGH SCHOOL”, “COLLEGE” and so on which is higher than “GRADE1” and encounter the application like I’m going to list below
(A) Application of Exponential functions:
1x, where the variable “1” was the base and the number “x” was the power. In the case of exponentials, you will be dealing with functions such as g(x) = 1x, WHERE THE “BASE” IS THE FIXED NUMBER, and the power is the variable.
In evaluating this function, we operate as usual, picking values of x, plugging them in, and simplifying for the answers. 1x, remember how exponents work? I know your not lolz
(B) Application in Taxonomy:
Taxonomy : The classification of organisms in an ordered system that indicates natural relationships. The taxonomic organization of species is hierarchical. Each species belongs to a genus, each genus belongs to a family, and so on through order, class, phylum, and kingdom
Kingdom : Animali
Phylum: Chordata
Class: Mammalia
Order: Primates
Family: Hominidae
Genus: Homo
Species: Homo sapiens (Human)
You might wonder why I listed these, look attentively; “Human” OR “HUMAN NATURE” are counted only or as “ONE” REGARDLESS THAT we are 8 billionth IN NUMERICAL COUNTING; BECAUSE IN TAXONOMY WE ARE NOT TALKING OF “POPULATION COUNTING” BUT CLASSIFICATION OF “NATURE”
Let me apply this in reality, “I am the SON OF MY HUMAN FATHER”
PERSON: TWO - THE SON AND THE FATHER
NATURE: ONE – BOTH HUMAN
NOW, WHO IS BLIND? WHO IS GRADE 1? DON’T IMPOSE YOU WILL (YOUR MANMADE CULT DOCTRINE) IN THE TEXT. But WE CANNOT BLAME YOU BECAUSE EVEN Christ knew it from the beginning, so he declares "Father, Forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing" [Lk. 23:34]. Same like your cults, you don't know what they are doing "Because knowledge of the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven has been granted..., but to them it has not been granted" [Mt. 13:10-11]
LINE9: About my profile picture, I just want to show how fragile your God is, your praising a picture, a sculptured god
TO ALL READERS, HE WAS PROUD OF HIS “STOLEN PORNORGRAPHIC PICTURE- NINAKAW NA MALASWANG PICTURE” FROM AN ATHIEST ARTIST AND USED AS HIS PROFILE PHOTO WHEREIN “MALE GENITALS ARE EXPOSED” I DECIDED NOT TO PUT THE LINK BECAUSE SOME READERS ARE “MINORS” BUT FOR THEM (IGLESIANIMANALO INCORPORATED) ARE OK TO SHOW EVEN TO THEIR MINOR/CHILDREN MEMBER.
Whatever grammatical structure and guidelines you put, the word "YOU" will always refer to someone other than the speaker, you should go back to elementary school. Whatever exponential, arithmetic, mathematical achuchuchu you put in the formula the truth still remains: "1+1 = 1" is not acceptable. PLAIN & SIMPLE.
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//Whatever exponential, arithmetic, mathematical achuchuchu you put in the formula the truth still remains: "1+1 = 1" is not acceptable. PLAIN & SIMPLE//
ReplyDeleteThe truth still remains: 1+1=1 is not acceptable for GRADE 1 STUDENT ( like IglesiaNiManalo INCorporated Cult) who know nothing except “addition”; GRADE 1 whose “ Application of Exponential functions” “Classification of things in an ordered system” is alien words:. PLAIN & SIMPLE
//Whatever grammatical structure and guidelines you put, the word "YOU" will always refer to someone other than the speaker, you should go back to elementary school.//
JUST FOR THE SAKE OF OTHER READERS WHO HAS AN ADVANCE THINKING. I BELIEVE THE IglesiaNiManalo INCorporate cannot understand this because they limit themselves in 1+1=2 basic GRADE 1)
ANALYSIS 1:
John 17:3 - "And this is eternal life, that they know You the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent."
Christ said to his Father "that they know you the only true God." take a closer look at the word “ONLY”… the word “ONLY” modify the word “GOD” and not the word “FATHER”.
Elementary example:
One TV reporter states that “she is the only true human”.
Does it mean that the TV Reporter is not a HUMAN because he wrote that “she is the only true human”? Of course not, saying “ONLY” is NOT necessarily excluding other Persons of that “Being” from that description. SO, ALTHOUGH CHRIST SAYS THE WORD “ONLY” THIS DOES’NT MEAN THAT HE DECLARED THAT HE IS NOT GOD.
What about the word “TRUE”? because there are many false “gods” like you did to sinful Felix who treated him god. Once again, THERE IS ONE GOD: TRUE GOD THE FATHER WHO IS CO-EQUAL/CO-ETERNITY WITH ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST.[1Cor8:6]
ANALYSIS 2:
ReplyDeleteJohn 17:3 - "And this is eternal life, that they know You the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent."
Jesus Christ is only reminding his followers OF THE JEWISH “SHEMA”
“Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one! [Deuteronomy 6:4]
ONE = echad (“one” that demonstrates compound unity)(NOT yachid that demonstrate singularity ) so yachid is not use in “SHEMA”
LORD = adonai (plural form of adoni(master))
GOD = elohim (plural form of El (God))
ONE (ECHAD)SAMPLE
For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one [echad] flesh. (Genesis 2:24)
Now the whole earth used the same [echad] language and the same [echad] words. (Genesis 11:1)
GOD ( ELOHIM (PLURAL))SAMPLE
"I am the LORD your God [Elohim], who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. "You shall have no other gods [Elohim] before Me. (Exodus 20:2-3)
“Hear, O Israel! The ADONAI(plural) is our ELOHIM(plural), the ADONAI(plural) is ECHAD (“one” that demonstrates compound unity like “they are one [echad] people”[Gen.11:6]) IT DID NOT MENTION yachid
SO, JESUS IS CONFIRMING THE “TRINITARIAN MONOTHEISM” or the existence of oneness of God.
You need to study HEBREW GRAMMAR PIO! ELOHIM...is not a plural form of the name of God. it is not a plural form of the term God. there is no such thing as "TRINITARIAN MONOTHEISM". Elohim-only denotes the plurality of majesty of God.
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ReplyDeleteWhen and where did I mention the word “ELOHIM is a plural form of the NAME OF GOD”? Can you show to us?
[it is not a plural form of the term God. Elohim-only denotes the plurality of majesty of God]
How will you explained these verses that contradict to your PERSONAL theory and PERSONAL hypothesis AND THUS NULLIFY YOUR MAN-MADE DOCTRINE?
…then they said, These are your [Elohim]gods. [Exodus 32:4]
"I am the LORD your God [Elohim], who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. "You shall have no other gods [Elohim] before Me. [Exodus 20:2-3]
These two are few examples how the term “ELOHIM” where used to denotes PLURAL SUBJECT GROUPED IN ONE (A COLLECTIVE NOUN)
In Exodus 20:2-3 (a good example) check how the word “ELOHIM” appeared in two distinguish subject:
"I am the LORD your God [Elohim], who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.” (I know you know who was talking here)
"You shall have no other gods [Elohim] before Me.
Trinitarian = 3 Monotheism = 1 so 3=1 according to you. Funny.
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[Trinitarian = 3 Monotheism = 1 so 3=1 according to you. Funny.]
ReplyDeleteDon’t stick and limit your self in ‘ADDITION’ (1+1+1=3) don’t be like a fool servant who did not use his Master’s gift, instead he dug a hole in the ground and hid it. (The Parable of the Talents (Matthew 25:14-30; Luke 19:12-28)).
It is not three Gods in one God – it is one God in three Persons. The Sacred Scriptures and Sacred Tradition state over and over again that there is only one God. That’ why you technically cannot say that there are three Gods in one God.
Checking it by ‘ADDITION’ will obviously derive you in a wrong answer. Grow and expand: It will take only 10 months to be in Grade 1 there are lots of level that are waiting.
I repeat, aside from ‘ADDITION’ there is so called ‘Application of Exponential Functions’:
1x, where the variable “1” was the base and the number “x” was the power. In the case of exponentials, you will be dealing with functions such as g(x) = 1x, WHERE THE “BASE” IS THE FIXED NUMBER, and the power is the variable.
In evaluating this function, we operate as usual, picking values of x, plugging them in, and simplifying for the answers. 1x, remember how exponents work?
To simplify it again: “I am the SON OF MY HUMAN FATHER”
PERSON: TWO - THE SON AND THE FATHER
NATURE: ONE – BOTH HUMAN, BOTH EQUAL
Open your heart, mind and eyes. It is good to be intellectual when it comes to arguments, but the truth shall always be the truth however you bend it. You know your church's false teachings. Get out of that church while you still have the chance. Don't be blinded by pride and self-righteousness, you can always defend your church in every way you can by using worldly knowledge, but I know you know the truth, that your church is the apostasized church. You still have a chance my friend.
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ay, it seems you are having a hard time understanding the above TRUTHS..you resort to name-calling. Typical INM way of weak and directionless logic, esp when faced with the TRUE facts. You should do more research and in-depth study of the Bible which was corrupted by manalo.
DeleteMy heart, mind and eyes are already open to GOD, TO HIS WORD, HIS TRUE TEACHING transmitted and protected by HIS TRUE CHURCH ( THE HOLY,APOSTOLIC,CATHOLIC CHURCH) This is the church of the living God, which is the pillar and foundation of the truth.[1Timothy 3:15].
ReplyDeleteTHE TRUTH THAT WE CANNOT BEND IS:
"I am the way, and the truth, and the life [John 14:6]
I and my Father are ONE." [John 10:30]
Yes, there is Apostasy but not COMPLETE/WHOLE APOSTASY. I already address this, look for article entitled: COMPLETE APOSTASY THEORY – TWO POINTS OF CONTRADICTION.
Go out and leave your Man-made church; Not all ‘ANGEL’ ARE TRUE ANGEL OF GOD for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.[2 Corinthians 11:14] FOR IN THE LAST DAYS MANY FALSE PROPHET WILL COME AND THEY WILL DECEIVE MANY [Matthew 24:5].
You still have a chance my friend.
Show me a verse that God says you must learn ‘Application of Exponential Functions’ before you can learn his ways? Long before the term 'addition' was coined, there is already a common sense that 1+1=2. Let me show you in layman's term. You have 1 stone, I have 1 stone, I gave you my 1 stone, Now you have 2 stones. get it? "I am the way, and the truth, and the life [John 14:6] Did Jesus say He is the way, and the truth, and the life because He is the ONE TRUE GOD? I and my Father are ONE." [John 10:30] Did Jesus say they are ONE TRUE GOD? Let me ask you something... Who created everything? Is it the Father or the Son? If you say it is the Father, then He also created the Son! (This is correct). If you say it is the Son, then He also created the Father! If you say BOTH, then you will have TWO GODS
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Over and over again, don’t be like a fool servant who did not use his Master’s gift, who dug a hole in the ground and hid it. [Matthew 25:14-30; Luke 19:12-28] When and where did I mention that “God says you must learn ‘Application of Exponential Functions’ before you can learn his ways” May I know where is it in all posted comment I made? Or is it the way you understand my post? Don’t put words to someone’s mouth especially when you have no proof to provide.
Delete‘Application of Exponential Functions’ and the ‘principle of classification of things in an ordered system’ are few examples to understand the ‘COMPOUND UNITY’. (CLASSIFICATION ACCORDING TO ONE’S ‘NATURE’) while in ‘Addition’ ( a ‘NUMERICAL COUNTING’ in a QUANTITIVE WAY) you cannot derive a correct answer and it will CONTRADICT THE TRUE TEACHING IN “ONENESS OF GOD.”. In Deuteronomy 6:4 which I explained above, the word used is “ECHAD” (Compound Unity OF ONE) and NOT “YACHID” (Strictly and Uniquely ONE). So, SHEMA [Deut.6:4] is in harmony with JESUS STATEMENT “I and My Father are ONE." in [John 10:30].
EVEN THOUGH JESUS CHRIST DID NOT MENTION HE IS ONE TRUE GOD OR THE FATHER AND HE IS THE ONE TRUE GOD, IS NOT THE PROOF THE HE(JESUS CHRIST) IS NOT GOD. THE REVEALED TRUTH IS CHRIST IS GOD. READ MY ARTICLE ABOVE.
Long before the term 'Exponential Functions' or ‘classification in an ordered system’ was coined, there is already a common sense that compounded unity of 2 = 1. “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become ONE flesh.“ [Genesis 2:24] TWO Persons ONE FLESH, (try to say these words to GRADE1 he/she might ask you, “how come they are ONE FLESH? A female has its own flesh while a Male has its own flesh also?)Get it?
To simplify: “I am the SON OF MY HUMAN FATHER”
PERSON: TWO - THE SON AND THE FATHER
NATURE: ONE – BOTH HUMAN, BOTH EQUAL
Clearly, the problem is not “ADDITION” rather the “APPLICATION OF ADDITION” because this will give a contradiction in Sacred Scriptures [Deuteronomy 6:4]. ONLY the ‘Application of Exponential Functions’ and the ‘principle of classification of things in an ordered system’ could explain the ‘ONENESS OF GOD’ that GRADE 1 cannot understand.
You ask me a question Who created everything? I suggest not to address that to me; allow the Sacred Scriptures to answer it. BOTH! The Father [Isaiah 44:24] and The Son [Hebrew1:10,Colosians 1:16, John 1:3]but not the one you are suggesting, NOT TWO GODS BUT ONE GOD [Deuteronomy 6:4]
Shema Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Eḥad -
Hear, O Israel: the Lord is our God, the Lord is One: ECHAD! Compound Unity OF ONE
Ah, so you mean BOTH of them created everything! BOTH are ONE TRUE GOD? What about the Holy Spirit? Did you forget about him? Did He come late that He missed the creation of the universe? How come when Jesus was born, the earth and everything in it already existed? Again, I will emphasize, but it's alright, since I conditioned myself to talking to a kindergarten, There is ONLY ONE God! God said He will never go to earth and mingle with humanities since He is God and he has angels and SEVEN HOLY SPIRITS, all He has to do is tell them to go to earth to do a certain task. Don't ever use the Marriage as an example of two persons being ONE FLESH, it is only a symbol of their unity, but still they are two separate people, two separate thinking, two separate activities. they are TWO not ONE. Let me remind you what you are defending: ONE GOD-Three Persons. If they are ONE GOD, Father, Son, Holy Spirit they should be co-equal right? Unless you agree with me that they have three Unless you agree with me that they have three separate thinking, three separateactivities,etc.Nowanswerthis:
ReplyDelete1=Father
1=Son
7=HolySpirits
1+1+7=1or1+1+7=9?
PLAIN & SIMPLE.
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[Ah, so you mean BOTH of them created everything! BOTH are ONE TRUE GOD? What about the Holy Spirit? Did you forget about him? Did He come late that He missed the creation of the universe?]
ReplyDeleteLOLZ, I cannot help but to laugh, are you not ashamed for your self that other readers notice your act of dishonesty and deception? Let me remind you about the question you raised and why the word “BOTH” appeared and I quote:
IsittheFatherortheSon?
IfyousayitistheFather,thenHealsocreatedtheSon!(Thisiscorrect).
IfyousayitistheSon,thenHealsocreatedtheFather!
If you say BOTH, then you will have TWO GODS.”
LOLZ. But then again, you cannot accuse me of disregarding the HOLY SPIRIT as CO-CREATOR since I mentioned Shema Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Ehad: Hear, O Israel: the Lord is our God, the Lord is One: ECHAD! Compound Unity OF ONE [Deuteronomy 6:4]
[How come when Jesus was born, the earth and everything in it already existed?]
Read this verse and compare it to your posted question: “You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham” [Jn.8:57] SEE THE SIMILARITY? I am not surprise and cannot blame you "Because knowledge of the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven has been granted..., but to them it has not been granted" [Mt. 13:10-11] and even Jesus Christ declared "Father, Forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing" [Lk. 23:34]
[Again, I will emphasize, but it's alright, since I conditioned myself to talking to a kindergarten, There is ONLY ONE God! God said He will never go to earth and mingle with humanities since He is God]
Did you know that in Kindergarten there is no Subject like ‘Exponential Functions’ or the ‘principle of classification of things in an ordered system’? So the application of these two is alien to them? Since we know these applications, who then is Kindergarten?
There is ONLY ONE GOD: Shema Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Ehad: Hear, O Israel: the Lord is our God, the Lord is One: ECHAD! Compound Unity OF ONE [Deuteronomy 6:4] Jesus Christ said “I and my Father are ONE." [John 10:30] read my Article above Jesus Christ and his divinity: Biblical Reference for other proof.
[Gal.6:7][Number 23:19][1Samuel 15:29][John 1:13] are few verses that according to your Cult contradicts Christ’s Divinity but if you analyze each verses in relation with ENTIRE BIBLE VERSES in an honest mind you will see how these verses are TAKING-OUT OF CONTEXT.
ReplyDelete[and he has angels and SEVEN HOLY SPIRITS, all He has to do is tell them to go to earth to do a certain task.]
LOLZ, SEVEN HOLY SPIRITS? Or maybe you are talking of THE SEVEN GIFT OF THE HOLY SPIRITS. Be careful next time, there are lots of readers who can check your Cult errors lolz.
[Don't ever use the Marriage as an example of two persons being ONE FLESH, it is only a symbol of their unity, but still they are two separate people, two separate thinking, two separate activities.]
You are not far from reality. ONE GOD three separate complete and individual Persons with their own individual, unique identities.
“For there are three who bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; AND THESE THREE ARE ONE.” (1 John 5:7)
Not because Jesus Christ did not mention HE IS THE ONE TRUE GOD AND HE AND THE FATHER ARE ONE TRUE GOD your Cult assumption is True, you don’t have to find a word verbatimly look for the SPIRIT OF WORDS.
[they are TWO not ONE. Let me remind you what you are defending: ONE GOD-Three Persons. If they are ONE GOD, Father, Son, Holy Spirit they should be co-equal right? Unless you agree with me that they have three separate thinking, three separateactivities,etc.Nowanswerthis:1=Father1=Son7=HolySpirits1+1+7=1or1+1+7=9? PLAIN & SIMPLE.]
Address it again in the Bible not to me: Apostle John says:
“For there are three who bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; AND THESE THREE ARE ONE.” (1 John 5:7)
To whom should we believe? To Felix or to Apostle John?
ABC AND 1 2 3 as for the KINDERGARTEN
Exponential Function and Classification of things in an ordered system as for the servant who use the gift of his Master [Parable Matt. 25:17]
PLAIN AND SIMPLE
Ok, so you were forced to answer "BOTH", since it is the best option you have. who's funny now? If GOD is ONE TRUE GOD, your answer should be HE, or, GOD ALONE, or GOD HIMSELF, because that is the right answer my friend. I asked where was the HOLY SPIRIT when the universe was being created because your answer "BOTH" refers to TWO! but still it is a false answer because the ONLY TRUE GOD created the universe. Please don't manipulate the comments whenever you want. You deleted your previous reply because you made a mistake right? You even showed some interesting mathematical abilities that according to you, is an application to describe the relationship of Trinity. In the bible, Mark 16:16 it says:"Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned" If adding GOD, JESUS, and the HOLY SPIRIT resulting to THREE is wrong because "ADDITION" doesn't apply here, and I should have knowledge in "Application of Exponential Functions" and Kindergarten and Grade 1 students will never understand this since it is ALIEN to them, how do you manage then, that you baptize babies to become CATHOLICS? If Kindergarten and Grade 1 students doesn't know about the Mysteries of your HOLY TRINITY, what more for the babies? Pity.
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[Ok, so you were forced to answer "BOTH", since it is the best option you have. who's funny now? If GOD is ONE TRUE GOD, your answer should be HE, or, GOD ALONE, or GOD HIMSELF, because that is the right answer my friend.]
ReplyDeleteMay I remind you how I answered your question, I will quote it again:
Truthshallsetyoufree:
Who created everything?
Is it the Father or the Son?
If you say it is the Father, then He also created the Son!(Thisiscorrect).
If you say it is the Son, then He also created the Father!
If you say BOTH, then you will have TWO GODS.”
We were speaking of TWO INDIVIDUAL ‘PERSONS’ right? And it was you who asked that question, I am right? THE FATHER OR THE SON, simple logic :READ MY ANSWER:
c.pio:
You ask me a question Who created everything? I suggest not to address that to me; allow the Sacred Scriptures to answer it. BOTH! The Father [Isaiah 44:24] and The Son [Hebrew1:10,Colosians 1:16, John 1:3]but not the one you are suggesting, NOT TWO GODS BUT ONE GOD [Deuteronomy 6:4]
Shema Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Eḥad -
Hear, O Israel: the Lord is our God, the Lord is One: ECHAD! Compound Unity OF ONE
YOUR QUESTION: THE FATHER OR THE SON?
MY ANSWER : BOTH.
MY ANSWER : BUT ONE GOD.
LOLZ. You made me laugh.
[I asked where was the HOLY SPIRIT when the universe was being created because your answer "BOTH" refers to TWO! but still it is a false answer because the ONLY TRUE GOD created the universe.]
FUNNY. (read again my rebuttal on the first line) LOLZ.
[Please don't manipulate the comments whenever you want. You deleted your previous reply because you made a mistake right?]
Can you prove to us your accusation that I made a mistake that’s why I deleted it? FYI, same “reply” that I posted. I only break the link to your profile which is my assurance that what ever PORNOGRAPHIC PHOTOS YOU USE, NO READERS ESPECIALLY MINORS WILL BE OFFENDED (Catholic Minors) since I believe in you Cult such “Porno” is ok to view even it is minors.
[You even showed some interesting mathematical abilities that according to you, is an application to describe the relationship of Trinity.…In the bible, Mark 16:16 it says:"Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned" If adding GOD, JESUS, and the HOLY SPIRIT resulting to THREE is wrong because "ADDITION" doesn't apply here, and I should have knowledge in "Application of Exponential Functions" and Kindergarten and Grade 1 students will never understand this since it is ALIEN to them, how do you manage then, that you baptize babies to become CATHOLICS? If Kindergarten and Grade 1 students doesn't know about the Mysteries of your HOLY TRINITY, what more for the babies? Pity.]
Although, baptism is another topic, I will allow here to be discuss slightly.
Who is this baby to be baptize?
Catholic baby, right?
Who is the Parent of this Catholic baby?
Catholic Parents, right? What about the ‘Ninong or Ninang’?
Catholic Parents as instructed by Apostle Paul to “bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.[Ephesians 6:4]
Pity.
Revelation 4:5
Delete"From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the SEVEN SPIRITS of God"
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Did it mention that these SEVEN LAMPS THAT WERE BLAZING COULD SPEAK LIKE A COMPLETE INDIVIDUAL PERSON WITH OWN UNIQUE IDENTITY?
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"the HOLY SPIRIT said to Philip, "Go over and walk along beside the carriage.”
[“For there are three who bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; AND THESE THREE ARE ONE.” (1 John 5:7)]
DeleteDid it mention that they are ONE GOD?
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Same proposition:
ReplyDeleteIf ‘ONE GOD’ is not mentioned, Did it say contrary? Or did it mention that they are NOT ONE GOD?
Since you cannot find the word ONE GOD you assume that you are correct for saying Jesus Christ is not GOD or the Holy Spirit is not GOD. Your proposition will and never be correct if we analyze it in the light of other verses.
ONENESS: THREE separate complete and individual Persons with their own individual, unique identities. CO-EQUAL AND CO-ETERNAL.
‘AND THESE THREE ARE ONE’ [1John 5:7]
‘Baptizing them in the NAME of the FATHER, SON,AND HOLY SPIRIT [Matthew 28:19]
‘Hear, O Israel: the Lord is our God, the Lord is One’ [Deuteronomy 6:4]
Shema Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Ehad
ADONAI (Plural)
ELOHIM (Plural)
ECHAD! Compound Unity OF ONE. NOT “YACHID” (Strictly and Uniquely ONE).
Alright, so because it did not mention that they are NOT ONE GOD, you assumed that they are ONE GOD!
DeleteYou understood the Bible according to your own interpretation!
PLAIN & SIMPLE
You know nothing about History. PLAIN & SIMPLE
ReplyDeleteNot according to my own interpretation but an interpretation taught by Jesus Christ himself, transmitted to his Apostles and Apostles to their Successors all the way down to our current Generation.[2 Timothy 2:2].
Did you know that before Arius propose that Jesus Christ is not Divine (Not Co-equal or Co-eternal), Centuries before him all Christians hold the TRUTH that the FATHER, SON AND HOLY SPIRIT is Co-Equal Co-eternal in ONENESS?
Ignatius of Antioch calls Jesus God 16 times (Ignatius is Disciple of Peter and Paul) he mentioned Jesus God while the Apostle John is still alive and even before the ‘Bible’ come to exist. Polycarp says Jesus is God Incarnate (Polycarp is Disciple of John). Then Polycarp transferred these teaching to his disciple named Iraneaus who said Jesus is God.
So, I will re-posted my answers came from Christ all the way down to our time:
ONENESS: THREE separate complete and individual Persons with their own individual, unique identities. CO-EQUAL AND CO-ETERNAL.
Baptizing them in the NAME of the FATHER, SON,AND HOLY SPIRIT [Matthew 28:19]
AND THESE THREE ARE ONE’ [1John 5:7]
Hear, O Israel: the Lord is our God, the Lord is One’ [Deuteronomy 6:4]
Shema Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Ehad
ADONAI (Plural)
ELOHIM (Plural)
ECHAD! Compound Unity OF ONE. NOT “YACHID” (Strictly and Uniquely ONE).
Again, Your proposition will and never be correct if we analyze it in the light of other verses.
If Jesus and Father are ONE TRUE GOD, Does Jesus know everything the Father knows? You must answer "yes" because you said THEY are CO-EQUAL AND CO-ETERNAL.
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YES. But according to your man-made Cult’s self and personal explanation, this couldn’t be because in [Mat 24:36] Jesus told his disciples that nobody but only the father knows so how come he (Jesus Christ) is God?
ReplyDeleteRead entire Chapter [Mat.24:30-50] Jesus Christ KNOWS ALL THE SIGNS, so verse 36 is not a deficiency whatsoever in the knowledge of Jesus Christ or not because of the infirmity of ignorance that He does not know, but because it is not yet the time to speak, or the divine Plan to act the coming of the fullness of time. Therefore His not knowing what He knows, is nothing else then a divine economy in word and deed - Hilary of Poitiers (315-367)
If Jesus Christ did not know it ‘when’, how come he knew what will happen on that day (All the Signs)? Simply because He knew it, but was not commissioned to reveal, the day or the hour of the final judgment. We cannot call it FINAL JUDGMENT If all knew the day or the hour and all are prepared.
Let no one then search out for the last Day, when it is to be; but let us watch all by our good lives, lest the last day of any one of us find us unprepared, and such as any one shall depart hence on his last day, such he be found in the last day of the world. Nothing will then assist thee which thou shalt not have done here. His own works will succour, or his own works will overwhelm every one. –Augustine.
Get it? Pity if not.
[Who is this baby to be baptize?
DeleteCatholic baby, right?
Who is the Parent of this Catholic baby?
Catholic Parents, right? What about the ‘Ninong or Ninang’?
Catholic Parents as instructed by Apostle Paul to “bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.[Ephesians 6:4]]
Your answers are ridiculous, Apostle Paul instructed to bring up who? the parents' babies? for training? and instruction of the Lord?
Pity.
Also did Apostle Paul instructed those parents to prepare their child for baptism?
Pity.
You didn't answer any question here, In Mark 16:16 it says:
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Now how can you baptize a baby when he/she doesn't have the ability to understand and believe?
Pity.
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[Your answers are ridiculous, Apostle Paul instructed to bring up who? the parents' babies? for training? and instruction of the Lord? Pity.]
ReplyDeleteHow come you are in argument with me if you don’t know whom Apostle Paul was referring to in [Ephesians 6:4]? read your bible before talking to me. Ignorance of Scripture is Ignorance of Christ – St. Jerome.
Pity.
[Also did Apostle Paul instructed those parents to prepare their child for baptism? Pity.You didn't answer any question here, In Mark 16:16 it says:
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Now how can you baptize a baby when he/she doesn't have the ability to understand and believe? Pity.]
Another distorted verse. Pity.
Jesus Christ said "Let the children come to me, and do not
hinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God.” [Mt.19:14]
Though they (babies) don’t have the ability to understand and to believe “for to such belongs the kingdom of God”
Infant Baptism: CIRCUMCISION IN THE OLD TESTAMENT, BAPTISM IN THE NEW TESTAMENT : THESE TWO ARE EQUAL [Colossian 2:11-13]
Circumcision is done to 8 days old (don’t have the ability to understand and believe)
If circumcision is equivalent of baptism in the New Testament
Then, Infant baptism is not against Mark 16:16.
Then he and his entire family were baptized immediately.[Acts 16:33]
‘ENTIRE FAMILY’ WHICH INCLUDE INFANT. UNLESS YOU WILL CONSIDER ‘BABY’ IS NOT A MEMBER OF THE FAMILY.
Pity.
This is the MOST STUPID reason I ever encountered so far from you, aside, of course, from the rest of your replies!
DeleteYou said:[verse 36 is not a deficiency whatsoever in the knowledge of Jesus Christ or not because of the infirmity of ignorance that He does not know, but because it is not yet the time to speak, or the divine Plan to act the coming of the fullness of time. Therefore His not knowing what He knows, is nothing else then a divine economy in word and deed - Hilary of Poitiers (315-367).If Jesus Christ did not know it ‘when’, how come he knew what will happen on that day (All the Signs)? Simply because HE KNOW IT, BUT WAS NOT COMMISSIONED TO REVEAL, the day or the hour of the final judgment. We cannot call it FINAL JUDGMENT If all knew the day or the hour and all are prepared.]As if you're saying that though Jesus knew the time and day of HIS second coming, HE said HE did not know it, so as not to disclose it to anyone, that makes HIM a liar, right? He should have just said "I know, but I will not tell you". Please choose your words very carefully next time.Pity.
Lolz. I cannot control my self to laugh. Stupid answers? Is it because these all nullify your Man-made doctrine? Lolz.
ReplyDeleteCorrection, HE did not said HE did not know it. Lolz, no word “HE” in the verse. ok
Ok. Here it is:
But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, [nor the Son], but only the Father [Mt. 24:36]
There are TWO COMMON address by Jesus Christ to Himself SON OF GOD AND SON OF MAN (others are teacher/rabbi, son of mary/son of joseph, son of david given by to him by other people) but this verse are quite peculiar [the Son]
[the Son] denotes MANKIND, or flesh with limitations in knowledge [Mt.16:17] He was not speaking for himself entirely but he was speaking in behalf of Mankind a human flesh with limitation.
So Peter said to Jesus Christ "Lord, You know all things; [John 21:17]
His not knowing what He knows, is nothing else then a divine economy in word and deed – Poitiers
NOW, THE MOMENT OF TRUTH: Lolz.
You said: “How come when Jesus was born, the earth and everything in it already existed?”
BUT according to the Bible Jesus Christ created everything:
“[U]nto the Son he saith...Thou, LORD, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands.” [Hebrews 1:10]
“[B]y him [Jesus] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth...all things were created by him, and for him.” [Colossians 1:16]
“All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.” [John 1:3]
THESE MAKE HIM A LIAR, RIGHT? Lolz (from your own words)by the way what more all your past posted comment that you made Jesus Christ a Liar? lolz
Pity.
[Jesus Christ said "Let the children come to me, and do not
Deletehinder them; for to such belongs the kingdom of God.” [Mt.19:14]]Haha, you're caught up in spotlight of shame here. First of all, Jesus instructed to "Let the children come to me", so HE is referring to children who could walk. Unless you understood the phrase as this "Let the babies crawl towards me". Even crawling would be very hard for 8-days old babies. Pity. Another thing, how can you end up in concluding, according to that verse, that Jesus instructed them to be baptized?
Pity. You also said:[Circumcision is done to 8 days old (don’t have the ability to understand and believe) If circumcision is equivalent of baptism in the New Testament Then, Infant baptism is not against Mark 16:16.]
Tsk tsk tsk. Another flaw, let's say you are right that Circumcision and Baptism are the same. When then, do your church fulfill Mark 16:16 that says:"Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. " Remember, they should BELIEVE FIRST, BEFORE BAPTISM.Pity.
:TruthshallsetYoufree
[Haha, you're caught up in spotlight of shame here.
ReplyDeleteFirst of all, Jesus instructed to "Let the children come to me", so HE is referring to children who could walk.Unless you understood the phrase as this "Let the babies crawl towards me". Even crawling would be very hard for 8-days old babies.
Pity. Another thing, how can you end up in concluding, according to that verse, that Jesus instructed them to be baptized? Pity.]
Lolz.do you have a memory gap? This is the second incident that you forgot what you’d asked:Let me remind you again about your question and I quote:
“… and I should have knowledge in "Application of Exponential Functions" and Kindergarten and Grade 1 students will never understand this since it is ALIEN to them, how do you manage then, that you baptize babies to become CATHOLICS? If Kindergarten and Grade 1 students doesn't know about the Mysteries of your HOLY TRINITY, what more for the babies?”
We are TALKING ABOUT THE ‘UNDERSTANDING THE MYSTERIES’ right? I will quote ‘IF KINDERGARTEN AND GRADE 1 STUDENTS DOESN’T KNOW… WHAT MORE FOR THE BABIES?’ lolz.
Whether KINDERGARTEN, GRADE 1 OR BABIES according to you have NO KNOWLEDGE IN THE MYSTERIES, right?
BUT SACRED SCRIPTURES REFUTE YOUR MAN-MADE DOCTRINE SAYING IN MT.19:14 JESUS CHRIST said "Let the CHILDREN come to me, and do not hinder them; for to such BELONGS THE KINGDOM OF GOD.”
Again, whether CHILDREN WHO COULD WALK OR COULD NOT WALK what Matters is that, we are dealing in “NO KNOWLEDGE IN THE MYSTERIES”; so both these according to Mt.19:14 BELONGS THE KINGDOM OF GOD. lolz, I cannot control myself to laugh.
In [Mt.19:14] Jesus Christ said, FOR TO SUCH BELONGS THE KINGDOM OF GOD, so regardless ‘THEIR KNOWLEGDE IN THE MYSTERIES IS INCOMPLETE’ which is according to [Mark 16:16] Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned, THESE CHILDREN: KINDERGARTEN, GRADE 1 OR BABIES CAN BE BAPTIZED.
Nice try but wrong. Lolz.
[Tsk tsk tsk. Another flaw, let's say you are right that Circumcision and Baptism are the same. When then, do your church fulfill Mark 16:16 that says:
ReplyDelete"Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. "Remember, they should BELIEVE FIRST, BEFORE BAPTISM. Pity.]
Another Imposing of personal will on the verse. Lolz
[Mark 16:16] BELIEVE FIRST, BEFORE BAPTISM.?
Baptism is a sacrament that was instituted by Christ to forgive people the ORIGINAL sins and incorporate them into His body in His New Covenant. Before Jesus ascended into heaven, He commands His apostles to "baptize ALL PEOPLE in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. (unless, again, your Man-Made Cult did not consider INFANT AS PEOPLE) THE WORD IS ALL. (INCLUDING INFANTS BECAUSE EVEN THEM HAS STAIN OF SINS AND NEED TO BE INCORPORATE IN CHRIST BODY IN HIS NEW COVENANT)
We, Catholic baptizes babies because baptism is the new circumcision of the New Covenant (Col. 2:11-12), just as the circumcision of eight-day old babies was the sign of the Old Covenant (Gen. 17:12; Lev. 12:3). In Old (Covenant) infants are included. Eight days old become members of God's family when they were circumcised. Paul said baptism the new circumcision, so Paul understands baptism to include infants in the New Covenant, just as God included them in the Old Covenant.
In Acts 2:38-39, Peter says that the promise of baptism is "for you and YOUR CHILDREN, and those far off." The Greek word for "CHILDREN" is TEKNON. THIS IS THE EXACT SAME WORD used in Acts 21:21 THAT DESCRIBE EIGHT-DAY OLD INFANTS. Thus, Peter says that baptism is for infants also. In fact, those "far off" would have included PERSONS who would have been at household (INCLUDING INFANT). In Acts 16:15, Lydia and "HER HOUSEHOLD" were baptized. The word for "HOUSEHOLD" is OIKOS which would include infants and children. COMPARE OIKOS TO THE FOLLOWING VERSE 1 Cor 1:16, Acts 16:33, 10:47-48.
Therefore [MARK 16:16] was address to the audience who are listeners of Jesus Christ teaching and after believing the ‘ENTIRE HOUSEHOLD’ WERE BAPTIZE INCLUDING INFANT.
*facepalm[s]* for the INC
ReplyDeletegreat job c.pio...thanks a lot n God bless
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