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“Catholic Church “fathers” are men who came after the death
of the apostles and started preaching doctrines utterly opposite the teachings
of Christ and the Apostles. They were made” saints” by Catholics, idols
and icons are made of them and they are prayed to and worshiped. They were
exactly the men the true Apostles forewarned before they died: “that in the
latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits,
and doctrines of devils”. - Conrado J. Obligacion
member of INC-1914.
That’s
the ridiculous thing I ever heard! TRULY A PROMPT ATTENTION IS NEEDED.
Complete Apostasy
Theory – Two points of Contradictions
By
c.pio
If
someone is telling you that you are a cheater and cannot provide any proof
(because in truth there are none) to substantiate his claim, that person is a
LIAR. According to the Sacred Scriptures that the act of deceiving, concealment
or distortion of the truth for the purpose of misleading others originates to
SATAN; clearly in Apostle Peter statement when he confronted Ananias with a
profound words: “why has Satan filled your
heart to lie” [Acts 5:3].
With
this in mind, let us scrutinize if the statement is true and the accuser was
not a liar.
1. BIBLICAL OR UNBIBLICAL
[utterly opposite the teaching of Christ..]
As
we read on the Sacred Scriptures (bible), Christ’s teaching in Matthew 16:18:
“And I tell you that you are
Peter, and on this rock I will build my CHURCH AND THE GATES OF HADES SHALL NOT
PREVAIL AGAINST IT”. And in Matthew 28:20:“And behold, I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS, TO
THE END OF THE WORLD.”
Clearly,
Christ built a Church and the gates of Hades shall not overcome it and he is
with us till the end of the world. But if we are going to compare it to
accuser’s statement; it seems to us that he did not believe to the promises of
Christ. Who then is the one utterly teaching an OPPOSITE TO THE TEACHING OF
CHRIST?
[utterly opposite the teaching of the Apostles..]
Apostle
Paul instructions to Timothy
“and what you have heard from me
before many witnesses ENTRUST TO FAITHFUL MEN WHO WILL BE ABLE TO TEACH OTHERS
ALSO."[2Tim.2:2]
Why
does Apostle Paul needed to instruct Timothy to entrust to other faithful men
all what he also received if after them (apostles), no truth anymore? Don’t
tell me that the Holy Spirit is a liar when He inspires Paul while writing his
epistle? Or the accuser’s statement per se is utterly teaching an OPPOSITE TO
THE TEACHING OF APOSTLES?
Again
in John 14:26 and John 16:13:
"The Advocate, the Holy
Spirit that the Father will send in my name, HE WILL TEACH YOU EVERYTHING AND
REMIND YOU OF ALL I HAVE TOLD YOU" [Jn 14:26];
"But when he comes, the
Spirit of truth, HE WILL GUIDE YOU TO ALL TRUTH" [Jn 16:13]
Christ
our Lord is sending an Advocate (the Holy Spirit) that will teach and remind
all what Christ told to them and the most important thing is that they WILL
GUIDE THEM TO ALL TRUTH.
It
is first fulfilled in the accounts of Acts of the Apostles
“And when the days of the Pentecost were accomplished, they were all together in one place: And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as a mighty wind coming, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. And there appeared to them parted tongues, as it were of fire, and is sat upon every one of them. And they were all filled with the HOLY SPIRIT, and they began to speak with divers tongues, according as the HOLY SPIRIT gave them to speak.” [Acts 2:1-4]
But
this HOLY SPIRIT that will TEACH REMIND AND GUIDE THEM TO ALL TRUTH has been
received by others also and not exclusively for the Apostles.
[Acts 2:38] “..And you shall
received the gift of the HOLY SPIRIT”
[Acts 2:41] “they therefore that
received his word were baptized and there added in that day about THREE
THOUSAND SOULS”
[Acts 10:45] “All the circumcised
believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit
had been poured out on the Gentiles also.”
No
wonder why Apostle Paul instructed Timothy in [2Tim.2:2] because he (Paul) is
faithful to Christ’s words; he knew from the beginning that the same HOLY
SPIRIT that TEACH, REMIND AND GUIDE THEM (APOSTLES) TO ALL TRUTH WILL ALSO THE
ONE WHO WILL TEACH, REMIND AND GUIDE TIMOTHY AND THE REST OF THEIR SUCCESSORS
TO ALL TRUTH.
Another
penetrating truth that we must take also, the experience of Paul,
“He fell to the ground and heard a
voice saying to him, “Saul! Saul! Why are you persecuting me?” Who are you,
Lord?” Saul asked. “I AM JESUS, WHOM YOU ARE PERSECUTING,” he replied [Acts
9:4-5].
It
is no longer the Church, IT IS CHRIST HIMSELF! So if the Church that Christ
founded from the beginning as per the accusers’ claim that this Church is
totally apostatized, DOES CHRIST HIMSELF APOSTATIZED?
2. HISTORICAL OR UNHISTORICAL
Majority
of biblical scholars (protestant alike) agreed that in the first century
(apostolic age) NO SO CALLED “BIBLE” WAS EXISTS like what we have today, even
in the second century NO OFFICIAL LIST of which books and epistles are true
written by the Apostles (remember lots of Gnostic Gospels are in the circular
at that period like Gospel of Judas, Gospel of Tomas etc.) none of which
completely agree on which books have sufficient authority to be included. BUT
IT TOOK TWO HUNDRED YEARS AFTER THE APOSTOLIC PERIOD before we got a list which
books are truly written by the Apostles [Athanasius Bishop of Alexandria
successor of Christ Apostles] and UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF POPE DAMASUS I, we
received the OFFICIAL LIST OF ALL BOOKS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE BIBLE WHICH IS
THE SAME THAT WE HAVE TODAY [Council of Rome 382AD]
Both
persons that we mentioned is a successor of the Apostles, so if the accuser’s
statement is true:
“Catholic Church
“fathers” are men who came after the death of the apostles and started preaching
doctrines utterly opposite the teachings of Christ and the Apostles.”
WHY
THEN THEY USE THIS BIBLE AS PART OF THEIR FAITH KNOWING THAT THIS BIBLE (ALL
BOOKS THAT INCLUDED HERE) IS A TESTIMONIAL FAITH OF THE THIRD CENTURY
CHRISTIANS? [Testimonial Faith in making a decision (to name a few) that the
Gospel of Matthew must be included while Gospel of Tomas be regarded as false
one.]
In
the end, the lack of scholarly facts to substantiate the hypothesis combine
with unfamiliarity in the bible accounts would be the major problems in the
part of IglesianiManalo INC-1914 and other accusers to stand and accuse the TRUE CHURCH
– THE CATHOLIC CHURCH as APOSTATIZED CHURCH from the beginning.
“Then
Peter said, Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you
have lied to the Holy Spirit” “… you have not lied to men, but to GOD” [Acts 5:3-4]
have lied to the Holy Spirit” “… you have not lied to men, but to GOD” [Acts 5:3-4]
To
summarize let Christ speaks [John 14:15-21]
15“If you love me, obey my
commandments. 16And I will ask the Father, and
he will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you. 17He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth.
The world cannot receive him, because it isn’t looking for him and doesn’t
recognize him. But you know him, because he lives with you now and later will
be in you. 18No, I will not abandon you as
orphans—I will come to you. 19Soon
the world will no longer see me, but you will see me. Since I live, you also
will live. 20When I am raised to life again, you will know that I am in my
Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21Those who accept my
commandments and obey them are the ones who love me. And because they love me,
my Father will love them. And I will love them and reveal myself to each of
them.”
Christ
Promise that he will not abandon his Church.
……………
Let
us remember Polycarp who had been the disciple of John the Apostle of Christ:
received his martyrdom(burned alive) for the sake of God’s Kingdom. Let us
remember Ignatius of Antioch disciple of Peter (and Paul) apostles of Christ
fed to the lions for the sake of God’s Kingdom. From Christ to his Apostles to
Apostles successors forewarned before they died: “that in the latter times some
shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of
devils”. AS WE SHOWN ABOVE, WHO SPREAD THE DOCTRINES OF DEVILS?
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Santiago Vargas:
ReplyDeleteIf you are in argument with INC about the so called apostasy of church ask them a valid document supporting their claim. If they cannot show any, then you have nothing to argue.
This is the precise reason Mister why I wrote this article, knowing that they don’t have any valid document/s that will support their claim, they keep on accusing Catholic Church as such. Mister, I know that it seems to you that I am fundamentalist (as seen in each articles that I wrote) but I’m not, this is only a responsorial thing.
ReplyDeleteI am the first poster above:
ReplyDeleteIf INCorporation members are the first Christians as they always claim without proof documents, why they do not give respect to the martyrs during those time. Note that those first martyrs are murdered during the time of the apostles; for example St. Stephen, deacon, was stoned to death at Jerusalem; he is venerated as the first Christian martyr. During his martyrdom, the apostles are still alive and St. Stephen is supposed to be INC's "kapatid". But why they never give honor or respect to St. Stephen? but instead they give Manalos the lordly-respect.
This is funny in the sense that they do not recognized those martyrs for Christian faith. Is it because Catholic did first respect those early Christian martyrs? And they do not want to make "gaya-gaya puto maya" in respecting those martyrs who fought for the survival of the Christian Faith. It seems obviously, so I assume that they do not even give recognition to the apostles. But they are die-hard to the Manalos. Isn't it a sign of cultism? Being fanatic to the so-called messenger?
nice and profound insight.
ReplyDeleteGod bless. and wish you in advance a Joyful New year.
That the fathers of the Church teach something which it is not biblical is totally nonsense. My point is this: we have the biblical exegesis of the Fathers of the Church which are in tuned with the apostles who walked with Christ, it fallows then, that we, Catholics, have the Doctrine of the Church which is totally biblical. These individuals suffer from biblical myopia. How can one argued that, by “Scripture alone,” one have disclosed the real meaning of the gospels and the epistles of the apostles. It is absurd to say the least, that 1500 years later Luther and Cramer have discovered the true of the New Testament. We have 2,000 years holding the same dogmas (implicitly or explicitly), and our lovely friends about 500 years holding that amongst the 39,000 sects none of these sects hold the same doctrine. The only doctrine they have in common is that they are against the authority of the CC. They have two doctrines in common “sola scripture and by faith alone.” For these people who hates the Catholic Church, one must be clear when preaching to them: extra ecclesia nulla sallus. God bless
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