Tuesday, December 20, 2011


Catholic Church “fathers” are men who came after the death of the apostles and started preaching doctrines utterly opposite the teachings of Christ and the Apostles. They were made” saints” by Catholics, idols and icons are made of them and they are prayed to and worshiped. They were exactly the men the true Apostles forewarned before they died: “that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils”. - Conrado J. Obligacion member of INC-1914.

That’s the ridiculous thing I ever heard! TRULY A PROMPT ATTENTION IS NEEDED.

Complete Apostasy Theory – Two points of Contradictions
By c.pio

If someone is telling you that you are a cheater and cannot provide any proof (because in truth there are none) to substantiate his claim, that person is a LIAR. According to the Sacred Scriptures that the act of deceiving, concealment or distortion of the truth for the purpose of misleading others originates to SATAN; clearly in Apostle Peter statement when he confronted Ananias with a profound words:  “why has Satan filled your heart to lie” [Acts 5:3].

With this in mind, let us scrutinize if the statement is true and the accuser was not a liar.

[utterly opposite the teaching of Christ..]

As we read on the Sacred Scriptures (bible), Christ’s teaching in Matthew 16:18:

“And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my CHURCH AND THE GATES OF HADES SHALL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT”. And in Matthew 28:20:“And behold, I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS, TO THE END OF THE WORLD.”

Clearly, Christ built a Church and the gates of Hades shall not overcome it and he is with us till the end of the world. But if we are going to compare it to accuser’s statement; it seems to us that he did not believe to the promises of Christ. Who then is the one utterly teaching an OPPOSITE TO THE TEACHING OF CHRIST?

[utterly opposite the teaching of the Apostles..]

Apostle Paul instructions to Timothy

“and what you have heard from me before many witnesses ENTRUST TO FAITHFUL MEN WHO WILL BE ABLE TO TEACH OTHERS ALSO."[2Tim.2:2]

Why does Apostle Paul needed to instruct Timothy to entrust to other faithful men all what he also received if after them (apostles), no truth anymore? Don’t tell me that the Holy Spirit is a liar when He inspires Paul while writing his epistle? Or the accuser’s statement per se is utterly teaching an OPPOSITE TO THE TEACHING OF APOSTLES?

Again in John 14:26 and John 16:13:

"The Advocate, the Holy Spirit that the Father will send in my name, HE WILL TEACH YOU EVERYTHING AND REMIND YOU OF ALL I HAVE TOLD YOU" [Jn 14:26];

"But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, HE WILL GUIDE YOU TO ALL TRUTH" [Jn 16:13]

Christ our Lord is sending an Advocate (the Holy Spirit) that will teach and remind all what Christ told to them and the most important thing is that they WILL GUIDE THEM TO ALL TRUTH.

It is first fulfilled in the accounts of Acts of the Apostles 

“And when the days of the Pentecost were accomplished, they were all together in one place: And suddenly there came a sound from heaven, as a mighty wind coming, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. And there appeared to them parted tongues, as it were of fire, and is sat upon every one of them. And they were all filled with the HOLY SPIRIT, and they began to speak with divers tongues, according as the HOLY SPIRIT gave them to speak.” [Acts 2:1-4] 

But this HOLY SPIRIT that will TEACH REMIND AND GUIDE THEM TO ALL TRUTH has been received by others also and not exclusively for the Apostles.

[Acts 2:38] “..And you shall received the gift of the HOLY SPIRIT”

[Acts 2:41] “they therefore that received his word were baptized and there added in that day about THREE THOUSAND SOULS”

[Acts 10:45] “All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.”

No wonder why Apostle Paul instructed Timothy in [2Tim.2:2] because he (Paul) is faithful to Christ’s words; he knew from the beginning that the same HOLY SPIRIT that TEACH, REMIND AND GUIDE THEM (APOSTLES) TO ALL TRUTH WILL ALSO THE ONE WHO WILL TEACH, REMIND AND GUIDE TIMOTHY AND THE REST OF THEIR SUCCESSORS TO ALL TRUTH.

Another penetrating truth that we must take also, the experience of Paul,

“He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul! Saul! Why are you persecuting me?” Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked. “I AM JESUS, WHOM YOU ARE PERSECUTING,” he replied [Acts 9:4-5].

It is no longer the Church, IT IS CHRIST HIMSELF! So if the Church that Christ founded from the beginning as per the accusers’ claim that this Church is totally apostatized, DOES CHRIST HIMSELF APOSTATIZED?

Majority of biblical scholars (protestant alike) agreed that in the first century (apostolic age) NO SO CALLED “BIBLE” WAS EXISTS like what we have today, even in the second century NO OFFICIAL LIST of which books and epistles are true written by the Apostles (remember lots of Gnostic Gospels are in the circular at that period like Gospel of Judas, Gospel of Tomas etc.) none of which completely agree on which books have sufficient authority to be included. BUT IT TOOK TWO HUNDRED YEARS AFTER THE APOSTOLIC PERIOD before we got a list which books are truly written by the Apostles [Athanasius Bishop of Alexandria successor of Christ Apostles] and UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF POPE DAMASUS I, we received the OFFICIAL LIST OF ALL BOOKS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE BIBLE WHICH IS THE SAME THAT WE HAVE TODAY [Council of Rome 382AD]

Both persons that we mentioned is a successor of the Apostles, so if the accuser’s statement is true: 

“Catholic Church “fathers” are men who came after the death of the apostles and started preaching doctrines utterly opposite the teachings of Christ and the Apostles.”

WHY THEN THEY USE THIS BIBLE AS PART OF THEIR FAITH KNOWING THAT THIS BIBLE (ALL BOOKS THAT INCLUDED HERE) IS A TESTIMONIAL FAITH OF THE THIRD CENTURY CHRISTIANS? [Testimonial Faith in making a decision (to name a few) that the Gospel of Matthew must be included while Gospel of Tomas be regarded as false one.]

In the end, the lack of scholarly facts to substantiate the hypothesis combine with unfamiliarity in the bible accounts would be the major problems in the part of IglesianiManalo INC-1914 and other accusers to stand and accuse the TRUE CHURCH – THE CATHOLIC CHURCH as APOSTATIZED CHURCH from the beginning.

“Then Peter said, Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you
have lied to the Holy Spirit” “… you have not lied to men, but to GOD” [Acts 5:3-4]

To summarize let Christ speaks [John 14:15-21]

15“If you love me, obey my commandments. 16And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you. 17He is the Holy Spirit, who leads into all truth. The world cannot receive him, because it isn’t looking for him and doesn’t recognize him. But you know him, because he lives with you now and later will be in you. 18No, I will not abandon you as orphans—I will come to you. 19Soon the world will no longer see me, but you will see me. Since I live, you also will live. 20When I am raised to life again, you will know that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. 21Those who accept my commandments and obey them are the ones who love me. And because they love me, my Father will love them. And I will love them and reveal myself to each of them.”

Christ Promise that he will not abandon his Church.  


Let us remember Polycarp who had been the disciple of John the Apostle of Christ: received his martyrdom(burned alive) for the sake of God’s Kingdom. Let us remember Ignatius of Antioch disciple of Peter (and Paul) apostles of Christ fed to the lions for the sake of God’s Kingdom. From Christ to his Apostles to Apostles successors forewarned before they died: “that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils”. AS WE SHOWN ABOVE, WHO SPREAD THE DOCTRINES OF DEVILS?

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  1. Santiago Vargas:

    If you are in argument with INC about the so called apostasy of church ask them a valid document supporting their claim. If they cannot show any, then you have nothing to argue.

  2. This is the precise reason Mister why I wrote this article, knowing that they don’t have any valid document/s that will support their claim, they keep on accusing Catholic Church as such. Mister, I know that it seems to you that I am fundamentalist (as seen in each articles that I wrote) but I’m not, this is only a responsorial thing.

  3. I am the first poster above:

    If INCorporation members are the first Christians as they always claim without proof documents, why they do not give respect to the martyrs during those time. Note that those first martyrs are murdered during the time of the apostles; for example St. Stephen, deacon, was stoned to death at Jerusalem; he is venerated as the first Christian martyr. During his martyrdom, the apostles are still alive and St. Stephen is supposed to be INC's "kapatid". But why they never give honor or respect to St. Stephen? but instead they give Manalos the lordly-respect.

    This is funny in the sense that they do not recognized those martyrs for Christian faith. Is it because Catholic did first respect those early Christian martyrs? And they do not want to make "gaya-gaya puto maya" in respecting those martyrs who fought for the survival of the Christian Faith. It seems obviously, so I assume that they do not even give recognition to the apostles. But they are die-hard to the Manalos. Isn't it a sign of cultism? Being fanatic to the so-called messenger?

  4. nice and profound insight.

    God bless. and wish you in advance a Joyful New year.

  5. That the fathers of the Church teach something which it is not biblical is totally nonsense. My point is this: we have the biblical exegesis of the Fathers of the Church which are in tuned with the apostles who walked with Christ, it fallows then, that we, Catholics, have the Doctrine of the Church which is totally biblical. These individuals suffer from biblical myopia. How can one argued that, by “Scripture alone,” one have disclosed the real meaning of the gospels and the epistles of the apostles. It is absurd to say the least, that 1500 years later Luther and Cramer have discovered the true of the New Testament. We have 2,000 years holding the same dogmas (implicitly or explicitly), and our lovely friends about 500 years holding that amongst the 39,000 sects none of these sects hold the same doctrine. The only doctrine they have in common is that they are against the authority of the CC. They have two doctrines in common “sola scripture and by faith alone.” For these people who hates the Catholic Church, one must be clear when preaching to them: extra ecclesia nulla sallus. God bless


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